Saturday
Feb162008
Clinton Campaign Conference Call Notes
Saturday, February 16, 2008 at 1:56PM
Harold Ickes & Phil Singer from Clinton Campaign on Conference Call
Saturday February 16th, 2008
Ickes: Said he had been around Democratic Presidential politics since 1968.
Served on rules committee and by-laws—have helped manage conventions
Several points— the race tied with 45 delegates—miniscule between them—18 jurisdictions yet to vote—1075 delegates up for grabs—neither will have enough pledged—Obama needs 340 of super delegates (Ickes calls them automatic delegates—under Obama’s projection then Senator Clinton needs 480.
Both of these candidates are going to need them – the supers/automatics to nail down nomination—automatics/ supers are supposed to exercise their best judgment---The Hunt commission decided as they could best win the White House
Many ways to elected delegates and the way Texas will decide them. There are 56 states and territories that elect delegates. What the press has overlooked is that these people are closely in touch with politics events etc. They are more in touch with the political process in this country. They are not divorced from the politics of the day. They have a sense of the institutional interest of the Democratic Party.
David Axelrod is a close personal friend. Axelrod said that all (super delegates /automatics should vote what is best for the party and country. Chairman Dean said that they should exercise their best judgment. Clyburn said that the supers/automatics are not there to mirror the popular vote. That was the intention of the Hunt commission when they added the supers/automatics
Mathematically impossible to reach the delegates for either nomination without the supers/automatics
Senator Clinton is urging her delegates to vote to seat Michigan and Florida on Florida—Obama broke pledge that he would not be campaigning. He bought national ads that also went into Florida. That was prohibited by the campaign. 1.5 million people voted there. In Michigan, Obama decided to curry favor with Iowa by withdrawing from Michigan. Obama got 55 pledged delegates. 600k voted in the Michigan primary. She wants to seat the delegates. Why should Florida not be heard at the convention—why should 1.5 million voters in Florida not get to be heard?—“we are going to win this nomination” in order to get this nomination we have to go to the convention.
In the general election both Michigan and Florida are important.
Nothing can be predicted with accuracy. Pundits predicted that Clinton would lose New Hampshire.
However, we believe that she will hold her own in Wisconsin. We expect her to win in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island.
She will close the delegate gap by March 5—PA suits her candidacy and by the end of June, she will be neck and neck with Obama
Question from the press: What do you say to John Lewis?—Ickes: Reasonable people can disagree about who will fare the best in Nov. This is a political operation; the states that he has won do not turn into Democratic states in the general election. turn to dems in the
Question on from the press: Why is Hillary better? What is your argument?
Ickes: We are in the peak of the ups and downs of the race and this going to be a close general election—Hillary has carried some key swing states such as Nevada, New Mexico and she appeals to women, Hispanics and lower income voters. In Arkansas, Arizona, NM and Ohio she looms large. Obama’s base relies on swing voters that may go with McCain. Obama has not been subjected to the full weight of media examination. When the GOP turns up the heat, the polls might not reflect that.
Question from the Press: Harold, did you vote to strip the delegates? Ickes: there is no change; I was not acting as agent for Mrs. Clinton. We had made rules, Rule 20 that has automatic sanction and we stripped the delegates. Those were the rules.
Ickes: This will be settled before we get to the floor—after the 7th of June she will have the majority of the delegates. On Tad Devine, Ickes said he did not cite one shred of authority.
Question from the press? A new caucus in Michigan? Ickes: No because in 2004 only 160,000 people voted in the “firehouse primary”. Over 600k have voted already. Fight not good for party or candidate—bitter fight not good—not well served by settling this at the convention. (Note: he said the opposite above) We will compete but see no need for a revote.
Question from the press: Credentials committee? Ickes: There are 150 votes plus appointments that have already been made. There are 177 votes. There may be a challenge before June 29th but there is no meeting set up yet and there is no challenge. 153 members come from the states and are apportioned by popular vote. For instance there are 17 members in California based on statewide votes so it is possible that Clinton will control the credentials committee.
Saturday February 16th, 2008
Ickes: Said he had been around Democratic Presidential politics since 1968.
Served on rules committee and by-laws—have helped manage conventions
Several points— the race tied with 45 delegates—miniscule between them—18 jurisdictions yet to vote—1075 delegates up for grabs—neither will have enough pledged—Obama needs 340 of super delegates (Ickes calls them automatic delegates—under Obama’s projection then Senator Clinton needs 480.
Both of these candidates are going to need them – the supers/automatics to nail down nomination—automatics/ supers are supposed to exercise their best judgment---The Hunt commission decided as they could best win the White House
Many ways to elected delegates and the way Texas will decide them. There are 56 states and territories that elect delegates. What the press has overlooked is that these people are closely in touch with politics events etc. They are more in touch with the political process in this country. They are not divorced from the politics of the day. They have a sense of the institutional interest of the Democratic Party.
David Axelrod is a close personal friend. Axelrod said that all (super delegates /automatics should vote what is best for the party and country. Chairman Dean said that they should exercise their best judgment. Clyburn said that the supers/automatics are not there to mirror the popular vote. That was the intention of the Hunt commission when they added the supers/automatics
Mathematically impossible to reach the delegates for either nomination without the supers/automatics
Senator Clinton is urging her delegates to vote to seat Michigan and Florida on Florida—Obama broke pledge that he would not be campaigning. He bought national ads that also went into Florida. That was prohibited by the campaign. 1.5 million people voted there. In Michigan, Obama decided to curry favor with Iowa by withdrawing from Michigan. Obama got 55 pledged delegates. 600k voted in the Michigan primary. She wants to seat the delegates. Why should Florida not be heard at the convention—why should 1.5 million voters in Florida not get to be heard?—“we are going to win this nomination” in order to get this nomination we have to go to the convention.
In the general election both Michigan and Florida are important.
Nothing can be predicted with accuracy. Pundits predicted that Clinton would lose New Hampshire.
However, we believe that she will hold her own in Wisconsin. We expect her to win in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island.
She will close the delegate gap by March 5—PA suits her candidacy and by the end of June, she will be neck and neck with Obama
Question from the press: What do you say to John Lewis?—Ickes: Reasonable people can disagree about who will fare the best in Nov. This is a political operation; the states that he has won do not turn into Democratic states in the general election. turn to dems in the
Question on from the press: Why is Hillary better? What is your argument?
Ickes: We are in the peak of the ups and downs of the race and this going to be a close general election—Hillary has carried some key swing states such as Nevada, New Mexico and she appeals to women, Hispanics and lower income voters. In Arkansas, Arizona, NM and Ohio she looms large. Obama’s base relies on swing voters that may go with McCain. Obama has not been subjected to the full weight of media examination. When the GOP turns up the heat, the polls might not reflect that.
Question from the Press: Harold, did you vote to strip the delegates? Ickes: there is no change; I was not acting as agent for Mrs. Clinton. We had made rules, Rule 20 that has automatic sanction and we stripped the delegates. Those were the rules.
Ickes: This will be settled before we get to the floor—after the 7th of June she will have the majority of the delegates. On Tad Devine, Ickes said he did not cite one shred of authority.
Question from the press? A new caucus in Michigan? Ickes: No because in 2004 only 160,000 people voted in the “firehouse primary”. Over 600k have voted already. Fight not good for party or candidate—bitter fight not good—not well served by settling this at the convention. (Note: he said the opposite above) We will compete but see no need for a revote.
Question from the press: Credentials committee? Ickes: There are 150 votes plus appointments that have already been made. There are 177 votes. There may be a challenge before June 29th but there is no meeting set up yet and there is no challenge. 153 members come from the states and are apportioned by popular vote. For instance there are 17 members in California based on statewide votes so it is possible that Clinton will control the credentials committee.
Obama Flip Flopping and other comments
Howard Wolfson and Phil Singer and the Clinton people say that Obama
is flip flopping on taking public financing. He is backing away from
a specific promise. This is not the first time that he has done this
in his political life. In primaries he runs on promises and then does
not deliver on it. A reporter said that it was not a specific pledge
but the Clinton campaign quotes Bill Burton from the campaign as
saying he would. Clinton campaign quotes a Common Cause questionnaire.
They say he has broken a commitment. " here is a promise that he is
breaking right before our very eyes" Senator Clinton will assess the
situation on public financing when the situation comes. That would
have been fine for Senator Obama. He took a specific position and then
decided to renege on it. It is fair for voters to ask for someone does
not have a long history, it is fair for people to look at his
promises. Does oratory and promises deliver results?
Obama has taken money from people who work in special interests and
companies. If he is interested in not having special interests and he
still takes contributions from people that hire those lobbyists. Once
again you hear great speeches from Senator Obama that are not backed
up by the facts.
Impact on future contests-- they do not believe that momentum is the
driver of actual votes
Senator Obama had momentum and lost many of the big states. Among rank
and file Democrats people are enthusiastic. Senator Clinton would be
the nominee of a united party. We believe that we will have 2025
delegates and we will be the nominee.
Our expectation will achieve the result to put Senator Clinton on the
road to the nomination. We have asked our delegates to seat Michigan
and Florida. Over two million people voted in those elections.
Health care- facts are crystal clear- Obama has used Harriet and
Louise tactics to attack our health care plan when he leaves fifteen
million people out.